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		<title>By: AnonPhenom</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-5304</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonPhenom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Why not think positive thoughts…such as that dis-ease can be healed by the use of thoughts? &quot;
Nice hypothesis. Now go out and prove it by collecting data from experiments that can be replicated by others. Welcome to the world of science.

Olmsted,
Thanks for the review. I have no particular background in quantum theory (I&#039;m a community pharmacist) just saw this movie by streaming it on Netflix, thought it OK for the first few minutes before the pseudo-science bable started, then spent the rest of the movie trying dope out which group produced this turdblossom. TM? L.Ron Inc.? No. Someone I&#039;ve never heard of before, Ramtha. Next time I must bring my bag o&#039;gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Why not think positive thoughts…such as that dis-ease can be healed by the use of thoughts? &#8221;<br />
Nice hypothesis. Now go out and prove it by collecting data from experiments that can be replicated by others. Welcome to the world of science.</p>
<p>Olmsted,<br />
Thanks for the review. I have no particular background in quantum theory (I&#8217;m a community pharmacist) just saw this movie by streaming it on Netflix, thought it OK for the first few minutes before the pseudo-science bable started, then spent the rest of the movie trying dope out which group produced this turdblossom. TM? L.Ron Inc.? No. Someone I&#8217;ve never heard of before, Ramtha. Next time I must bring my bag o&#8217;gold.</p>
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		<title>By: Bwilson</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-5184</link>
		<dc:creator>Bwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 04:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the bleep do I know? Like I know that I have two hands, I know that thoughts have power and can be a determining factor in outcomes. I know that placebos often work better than the &quot;real&quot; thing. I know that a thought can radically and quickly change a mood. Why not think positive thoughts...such as that dis-ease can be healed by the use of thoughts? What&#039;s the alternative to positive thinking...thinking that in what COULD be an infinite universe there are possibly infinite possibilities? The alternative is close-minded, negative, limited, skeptical thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the bleep do I know? Like I know that I have two hands, I know that thoughts have power and can be a determining factor in outcomes. I know that placebos often work better than the &#8220;real&#8221; thing. I know that a thought can radically and quickly change a mood. Why not think positive thoughts&#8230;such as that dis-ease can be healed by the use of thoughts? What&#8217;s the alternative to positive thinking&#8230;thinking that in what COULD be an infinite universe there are possibly infinite possibilities? The alternative is close-minded, negative, limited, skeptical thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spirituality group I am involved in is a theme group of Alcoholics Anonymous.  These are intelligent middle-age and older adults looking for meaning in their lives.  Someone brought this movie to study over many weeks.  No-one bothered to Google it.  I did after the first meeting and found the debunking in many places.  I pointed it out to several members of the group and still they continue on.  It&#039;s an amazing experiment for me to watch all these people waste their time.

Another way to describe the reason for this movie is as if two salesmen are working a car dealership lot.  One is openly the salesman; the other is pretending to be a customer.  The pretend customer casually meets real customers in the lot and discusses his thoughts about the cars and how good they are and at a great price.  He softens up the real customer and pretends to be interested in the exact same car as the real customer.  The real customer rushes to the salesman to get that great deal before someone else snaps it up.   This movie is like that.  It takes many apparently unconnected experts who reach the same conclusion that this is truth.  Then the viewer can purchase the books, tapes, courses, seminars, etc. -- because you need this truth in your life right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spirituality group I am involved in is a theme group of Alcoholics Anonymous.  These are intelligent middle-age and older adults looking for meaning in their lives.  Someone brought this movie to study over many weeks.  No-one bothered to Google it.  I did after the first meeting and found the debunking in many places.  I pointed it out to several members of the group and still they continue on.  It&#8217;s an amazing experiment for me to watch all these people waste their time.</p>
<p>Another way to describe the reason for this movie is as if two salesmen are working a car dealership lot.  One is openly the salesman; the other is pretending to be a customer.  The pretend customer casually meets real customers in the lot and discusses his thoughts about the cars and how good they are and at a great price.  He softens up the real customer and pretends to be interested in the exact same car as the real customer.  The real customer rushes to the salesman to get that great deal before someone else snaps it up.   This movie is like that.  It takes many apparently unconnected experts who reach the same conclusion that this is truth.  Then the viewer can purchase the books, tapes, courses, seminars, etc. &#8212; because you need this truth in your life right now.</p>
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		<title>By: JOE</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-3291</link>
		<dc:creator>JOE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 06:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJB SEMINARS in Australia has organised a cruise on the Oasis of the Seas 2012 and has thrown Joe Dispenza, Dr Demartini,  Jack Canfield and Mitch J Behan, in as a bonus, as Speakers to Enlighten and educate you all, so you can ascend the spiritual planes and vibrate at a higher frequency, attract success, wealth etc, into your life.
Maybe it would be cheaper to sit on top of the washing machine while it spindries?That should make all the celestial (descended) spirits vibrate right back up to where ever the Bleep they came from! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJB SEMINARS in Australia has organised a cruise on the Oasis of the Seas 2012 and has thrown Joe Dispenza, Dr Demartini,  Jack Canfield and Mitch J Behan, in as a bonus, as Speakers to Enlighten and educate you all, so you can ascend the spiritual planes and vibrate at a higher frequency, attract success, wealth etc, into your life.<br />
Maybe it would be cheaper to sit on top of the washing machine while it spindries?That should make all the celestial (descended) spirits vibrate right back up to where ever the Bleep they came from! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what was that notion that the American natives didn&#039;t see the European ships? At times in my life I&#039;ve seen things I didn&#039;t comprehend and didn&#039;t have words for, but photons still bounced off of them and I noticed something, even if I couldn&#039;t explain or describe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what was that notion that the American natives didn&#8217;t see the European ships? At times in my life I&#8217;ve seen things I didn&#8217;t comprehend and didn&#8217;t have words for, but photons still bounced off of them and I noticed something, even if I couldn&#8217;t explain or describe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Minikel</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Minikel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this film streaming on a site filled with documentaries and I never knew much about it. I was only aware of the vague premise proposed by it&#039;s title. 
Once I arrived at the section where they use little black boxes to record how some meditators changed the ph of something or other with their minds I immediately came to Skeptic, whose written publication I&#039;ve been reading on and off for nearly a decade, to see what they have to say about it. 
After reading the review and getting an insight into the direction soon to be taken in the film, as I&#039;d paused it at the point where they talk about tagging water with love, my only motivation for watching the rest of this film is my own compulsion to see films from start to finish, no matter what a load they are stuffing in the seat of my pants. Another reason to watch the rest is that I feel I ought to at least understand the arguments of the other side. But I&#039;ve already heard it a million times. I get it.
Thanks to this review I have reclaimed nearly an hour of my life from the woo woo of new age pseudo-science before it was ever stolen from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this film streaming on a site filled with documentaries and I never knew much about it. I was only aware of the vague premise proposed by it&#8217;s title.<br />
Once I arrived at the section where they use little black boxes to record how some meditators changed the ph of something or other with their minds I immediately came to Skeptic, whose written publication I&#8217;ve been reading on and off for nearly a decade, to see what they have to say about it.<br />
After reading the review and getting an insight into the direction soon to be taken in the film, as I&#8217;d paused it at the point where they talk about tagging water with love, my only motivation for watching the rest of this film is my own compulsion to see films from start to finish, no matter what a load they are stuffing in the seat of my pants. Another reason to watch the rest is that I feel I ought to at least understand the arguments of the other side. But I&#8217;ve already heard it a million times. I get it.<br />
Thanks to this review I have reclaimed nearly an hour of my life from the woo woo of new age pseudo-science before it was ever stolen from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Debs IV</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Debs IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

Enter such debate with data (e.g., crime-rate stats, as suggested) in hope of serving those in your audience who are given to reasoned analysis instead of snake-oil, or further honing your debate skills. But your time may be best spent on other endeavors. &quot;New age&quot; fundamentalists, like their monotheistic brethren, have little use for reasoned analysis; they traffic in the dogma of hunches and the perceived superiority of their feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>Enter such debate with data (e.g., crime-rate stats, as suggested) in hope of serving those in your audience who are given to reasoned analysis instead of snake-oil, or further honing your debate skills. But your time may be best spent on other endeavors. &#8220;New age&#8221; fundamentalists, like their monotheistic brethren, have little use for reasoned analysis; they traffic in the dogma of hunches and the perceived superiority of their feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Debs IV</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Debs IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear God,

The author of the review did not &quot;pass judgment on others&quot; but instead criticized and  refuted (or &quot;passed judgment&quot; upon) weak hypotheses passed off as established theories or fact. Rather it&#039;s your assertion that &quot;all of you are unhappy with your own lives,&quot; that smacks of mean-spirited judgment. Then again, that&#039;s what God does best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear God,</p>
<p>The author of the review did not &#8220;pass judgment on others&#8221; but instead criticized and  refuted (or &#8220;passed judgment&#8221; upon) weak hypotheses passed off as established theories or fact. Rather it&#8217;s your assertion that &#8220;all of you are unhappy with your own lives,&#8221; that smacks of mean-spirited judgment. Then again, that&#8217;s what God does best.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobjective</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-2404</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobjective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to do this but this sceptic, with an obvious dislike of ‘new age quackery’, bases his arguments on criticism not supported by contradictory evidence or tests, uses confusing jargon when compared to the documentary, and then at the end of these ‘wordy’ paragraphs slips in a statement like he has debunked something, when all he really has done was not listen. For example the addiction of peptides in the cells - the author gives a one sided challenge saying that he stated to a person on the documentary at a meeting, that brain cells don’t divide - that’s the end of the paragraph. Well, she was talking about peptide or chemical dependence different parts of the body, not just the brain. As in the theory put forth by the documentary, cells remember traumas etc and communicate with the brain (in a way we don’t fully understand), then the brain ‘tells’ the cells what chemical reaction to take via peptides. If you want to criticize an article scientifically you have to work within their framework to debunk it, or provide scientific proof to the contrary. 

Your review, as it addresses the nature of atoms near the top, does not provide a contradictory theory - it assumes the reader will generate their own opposition - and goes on to link the reasonable idea that “Heisenberg said atoms are not things, only tendencies” (as we once found out with electrons) with religious and spiritual beliefs a paragraph later; again relying on the reader’s prepositions to “know” how the universe works.

Please, don’t start quoting the Einstein known to us by the scientific community - as if you looked into his belief system, which mainstream science likes to say it’s based on, you would see that he had a firm belief in god, and talked about a consciousness that we could tap into that was of “higher” intelligence and provided him with great insight.

As I am trying to address aspects of the scientific merit of this review by John Olmsted, I will not choose to make the media that he uses to convey his message a main point, like he did concerning the documentary. However, I will point out that the visual display of faces and images in his review also has a “subjective” value upon the reader. In other words, people feel more emotionally attached to faces, and thus this triggers a greater emotional response and serves to break up our attempts at logical processing of his written word. 

As for the cancer rallying- cry against taking responsibility for your own health (as this presentation of quantum physics would like you to do)  - I’m sure if you did the research, you would find that those that took responsibility for their own emotions and mental well being had a much better rate of survival then those to resigned to giving their personal power of recovery over to their allopathic doctors. I also believe that this review is dipped in fears…of the new and unknown, so the arguments about the documentary using fear - well, are irrelevant, and hopefully both fears can be ignored and the documentary watched from a “non-fearful point of view“. The mentioning of this author using a child with Down’s syndrome, and him being a, “mental health therapist specializing in issues of learning, attention and the brain”,  I could see why a documentary like this would upset him, just as it would any of us with an autistic child. However, an emotional response is an emotional response, and is still triggered by past memory, or association, no matter the credentials that are worn on one’s chest.  

The 2nd “review” is made by a guy named Skeptico - of course he has a inclination in which he would see the film. As does a writer for the site www.skeptic.com - I guess this kind of “criticism” comes with the field of being a sceptic, just as being an open minded quantum physicist would leave you open to attacks that seem to be more emotional or belief system - based than on current scientific responses. Admittedly, I do not have time to go into the second critical article, as I have to attend to my own needs; but I will leave you with this objective question - what is the nature of a critical review if it is written from the mind state of one who has prior claim to being a sceptic? 

I am afraid that my review of the limited scientific evidence that Olmsted provided is, in nature, lacking.  I don’t recall Ramtha’s recovery program was never mentioned as being the answer, the authors of the documentary were merely calling for a broader perspective of reality -something that has always, and naturally, met with resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to do this but this sceptic, with an obvious dislike of ‘new age quackery’, bases his arguments on criticism not supported by contradictory evidence or tests, uses confusing jargon when compared to the documentary, and then at the end of these ‘wordy’ paragraphs slips in a statement like he has debunked something, when all he really has done was not listen. For example the addiction of peptides in the cells &#8211; the author gives a one sided challenge saying that he stated to a person on the documentary at a meeting, that brain cells don’t divide &#8211; that’s the end of the paragraph. Well, she was talking about peptide or chemical dependence different parts of the body, not just the brain. As in the theory put forth by the documentary, cells remember traumas etc and communicate with the brain (in a way we don’t fully understand), then the brain ‘tells’ the cells what chemical reaction to take via peptides. If you want to criticize an article scientifically you have to work within their framework to debunk it, or provide scientific proof to the contrary. </p>
<p>Your review, as it addresses the nature of atoms near the top, does not provide a contradictory theory &#8211; it assumes the reader will generate their own opposition &#8211; and goes on to link the reasonable idea that “Heisenberg said atoms are not things, only tendencies” (as we once found out with electrons) with religious and spiritual beliefs a paragraph later; again relying on the reader’s prepositions to “know” how the universe works.</p>
<p>Please, don’t start quoting the Einstein known to us by the scientific community &#8211; as if you looked into his belief system, which mainstream science likes to say it’s based on, you would see that he had a firm belief in god, and talked about a consciousness that we could tap into that was of “higher” intelligence and provided him with great insight.</p>
<p>As I am trying to address aspects of the scientific merit of this review by John Olmsted, I will not choose to make the media that he uses to convey his message a main point, like he did concerning the documentary. However, I will point out that the visual display of faces and images in his review also has a “subjective” value upon the reader. In other words, people feel more emotionally attached to faces, and thus this triggers a greater emotional response and serves to break up our attempts at logical processing of his written word. </p>
<p>As for the cancer rallying- cry against taking responsibility for your own health (as this presentation of quantum physics would like you to do)  &#8211; I’m sure if you did the research, you would find that those that took responsibility for their own emotions and mental well being had a much better rate of survival then those to resigned to giving their personal power of recovery over to their allopathic doctors. I also believe that this review is dipped in fears…of the new and unknown, so the arguments about the documentary using fear &#8211; well, are irrelevant, and hopefully both fears can be ignored and the documentary watched from a “non-fearful point of view“. The mentioning of this author using a child with Down’s syndrome, and him being a, “mental health therapist specializing in issues of learning, attention and the brain”,  I could see why a documentary like this would upset him, just as it would any of us with an autistic child. However, an emotional response is an emotional response, and is still triggered by past memory, or association, no matter the credentials that are worn on one’s chest.  </p>
<p>The 2nd “review” is made by a guy named Skeptico &#8211; of course he has a inclination in which he would see the film. As does a writer for the site <a href="http://www.skeptic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.skeptic.com</a> &#8211; I guess this kind of “criticism” comes with the field of being a sceptic, just as being an open minded quantum physicist would leave you open to attacks that seem to be more emotional or belief system &#8211; based than on current scientific responses. Admittedly, I do not have time to go into the second critical article, as I have to attend to my own needs; but I will leave you with this objective question &#8211; what is the nature of a critical review if it is written from the mind state of one who has prior claim to being a sceptic? </p>
<p>I am afraid that my review of the limited scientific evidence that Olmsted provided is, in nature, lacking.  I don’t recall Ramtha’s recovery program was never mentioned as being the answer, the authors of the documentary were merely calling for a broader perspective of reality -something that has always, and naturally, met with resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01/#comment-1813</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 05:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is amazing is that All of you are un-happy with your own lives that you must Pass judgement on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is amazing is that All of you are un-happy with your own lives that you must Pass judgement on others.</p>
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