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		<title>By: Phyllis Gensler</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Phyllis Gensler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband chose to end his own life 3 weeks after evaluation at the Amen Clinic.  This was a little over 2 years ago.  I would be very happy to share my story with your readers.  I do apologize but this was the only area where I could find a place to write a comment to you.  I wish my husband read your articles before he decided to go there.  I really feel his death was due to the taking of Amen&#039;s supplements and his anti depressant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband chose to end his own life 3 weeks after evaluation at the Amen Clinic.  This was a little over 2 years ago.  I would be very happy to share my story with your readers.  I do apologize but this was the only area where I could find a place to write a comment to you.  I wish my husband read your articles before he decided to go there.  I really feel his death was due to the taking of Amen&#8217;s supplements and his anti depressant.</p>
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		<title>By: fellowskeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>fellowskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 05:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You gotta be kidding yourself if you think your doctor does not benefit from prescribing bioidenticals.  Does s/he not charge the 400 bucks per visit, which you pay entirely in cash since s/he doesn&#039;t take insurance?  If you drank the koolaid and are happy with what you&#039;re getting, great!  Hope your doctor also treats breast cancer and blood clots that might develop with long term hormone therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You gotta be kidding yourself if you think your doctor does not benefit from prescribing bioidenticals.  Does s/he not charge the 400 bucks per visit, which you pay entirely in cash since s/he doesn&#8217;t take insurance?  If you drank the koolaid and are happy with what you&#8217;re getting, great!  Hope your doctor also treats breast cancer and blood clots that might develop with long term hormone therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: healthjunkie</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-1734</link>
		<dc:creator>healthjunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I tried other things before, oh, how I tried... And the docs would just prescribe some pharmaceuticals that didn&#039;t work and caused their own problems, and then told me to just learn to leave with it. As they told me to live with a debilitating shoulder/neck pain because &#039;you are getting older&#039;- when I was only 26(!) and advised to stop lifting weights. A regular high quality Glucosamine/chondroiton and cranberries supplements fixed that problem- and now, 10 year later, I am preparing for my first natural bodybuilding competition.
Sorry, I don&#039;t believe docs much- most of them. By the way, coming from the Eastern European medical family, many of the herbal remedies touted now were well known to my parents and prescribed by them to their patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I tried other things before, oh, how I tried&#8230; And the docs would just prescribe some pharmaceuticals that didn&#8217;t work and caused their own problems, and then told me to just learn to leave with it. As they told me to live with a debilitating shoulder/neck pain because &#8216;you are getting older&#8217;- when I was only 26(!) and advised to stop lifting weights. A regular high quality Glucosamine/chondroiton and cranberries supplements fixed that problem- and now, 10 year later, I am preparing for my first natural bodybuilding competition.<br />
Sorry, I don&#8217;t believe docs much- most of them. By the way, coming from the Eastern European medical family, many of the herbal remedies touted now were well known to my parents and prescribed by them to their patients.</p>
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		<title>By: healthjunkie</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>healthjunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not in perimenopause yet, but I believe I was always estrogene dominant (according to the symptomes in my youth, and now recently confirmed by a legitimate blood test prescribed by my new open-minded MD who, by the way, does not benefit from the compaunding meds he prescribes). I started on a low dose cycling of the bioidentical progesterone, and added a bit of testosterone as well, at my request after some research I&#039;ve done, to slow down &#039;the expedenture&#039; of my eggs and delay menopause. It took me 3 months to adjust the cycling doses according to my symptomes, and I never felt as good as I feel now. I wish it was known/available when I was in my teens and early 20ies and suffered horrible PMSes and painful periods. And the loss of monthly bloating, water retention, and rages are not a placibo effect- or just my &#039;subjective&#039; opinion about the way I feel- these changes are confirmed by all those close to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not in perimenopause yet, but I believe I was always estrogene dominant (according to the symptomes in my youth, and now recently confirmed by a legitimate blood test prescribed by my new open-minded MD who, by the way, does not benefit from the compaunding meds he prescribes). I started on a low dose cycling of the bioidentical progesterone, and added a bit of testosterone as well, at my request after some research I&#8217;ve done, to slow down &#8216;the expedenture&#8217; of my eggs and delay menopause. It took me 3 months to adjust the cycling doses according to my symptomes, and I never felt as good as I feel now. I wish it was known/available when I was in my teens and early 20ies and suffered horrible PMSes and painful periods. And the loss of monthly bloating, water retention, and rages are not a placibo effect- or just my &#8216;subjective&#8217; opinion about the way I feel- these changes are confirmed by all those close to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-1708</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But there are lots of different estrogenic compounds found in the body, including estriol, estradiol and estrone.&quot; Those three are the main ones and much *is* known about them.  The idea is to use these known human hormones, not guess that the thirty non-human hormones in Premarin would be equally advantageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But there are lots of different estrogenic compounds found in the body, including estriol, estradiol and estrone.&#8221; Those three are the main ones and much *is* known about them.  The idea is to use these known human hormones, not guess that the thirty non-human hormones in Premarin would be equally advantageous.</p>
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		<title>By: Bagehi</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Bagehi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a step back and rethink this situation.  

1.  The chemical structure of Premarin and Provera are different than any human estrogens.  So it is safe to say that something different would require new studies to determine efficacy and the associated risks.

2.  The debate is not really between Premarin and &quot;bioidentical&quot; hormones.  The real debate here is the increasing competition between pharmaceuticals and pharmacies for the profit margin on medications.  This is why this issue has been so hotly debated.  We aren&#039;t just talking the billion made in this niche market of estrogen replacement.  We are talking about the nearly trillion dollar market for all medications.  

Pharmacies have long been able to compound medications.  As medication prices went up and competition from larger pharmacies increased, they began actively promoting that they could provide patients with compounded medications that did the same at a lower price.  In the 1990s, pharmaceuticals began pushing back.  Estrogen replacement simply makes for the best battleground as there are secondary issues that both sides can use to obfuscate the reasons behind the conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a step back and rethink this situation.  </p>
<p>1.  The chemical structure of Premarin and Provera are different than any human estrogens.  So it is safe to say that something different would require new studies to determine efficacy and the associated risks.</p>
<p>2.  The debate is not really between Premarin and &#8220;bioidentical&#8221; hormones.  The real debate here is the increasing competition between pharmaceuticals and pharmacies for the profit margin on medications.  This is why this issue has been so hotly debated.  We aren&#8217;t just talking the billion made in this niche market of estrogen replacement.  We are talking about the nearly trillion dollar market for all medications.  </p>
<p>Pharmacies have long been able to compound medications.  As medication prices went up and competition from larger pharmacies increased, they began actively promoting that they could provide patients with compounded medications that did the same at a lower price.  In the 1990s, pharmaceuticals began pushing back.  Estrogen replacement simply makes for the best battleground as there are secondary issues that both sides can use to obfuscate the reasons behind the conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Everett Willams</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett Willams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a tenth of a penny on the dollar spent for every drug that the pharmaceutical companies got to final human tests and then had it fail to work the way they thought it would, I would be a rich man. Somers is from my generation, the ones who used their bodies as experimental drug laboratories in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s, so she is comfortable in doing so again. the previous commenter who talks about wellness seems not to understand that wellness, statistically, comes from eating a proper diet, getting proper rest, not exposing oneself to an excess of toxins, and living conservatively on a personal basis. Even then, we are subject to our genetics and the various exposures that we cannot control and that we may not even be aware of. Then, there are the random mutations that occur in every body over time, most of which are intercepted by the protective measures in our bodies, but not all.  Suzanne Somers is likely to suffer more problems than the rest of us, because she has exposed herself to more things that might cause trouble.  In any case, she isn&#039;t going to live forever, and it would be interesting to run a really full autopsy on her body when she dies. Unfortunately, we won&#039;t be able to recover the lost years in the lives of those who follow her brilliant medical advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a tenth of a penny on the dollar spent for every drug that the pharmaceutical companies got to final human tests and then had it fail to work the way they thought it would, I would be a rich man. Somers is from my generation, the ones who used their bodies as experimental drug laboratories in the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s, so she is comfortable in doing so again. the previous commenter who talks about wellness seems not to understand that wellness, statistically, comes from eating a proper diet, getting proper rest, not exposing oneself to an excess of toxins, and living conservatively on a personal basis. Even then, we are subject to our genetics and the various exposures that we cannot control and that we may not even be aware of. Then, there are the random mutations that occur in every body over time, most of which are intercepted by the protective measures in our bodies, but not all.  Suzanne Somers is likely to suffer more problems than the rest of us, because she has exposed herself to more things that might cause trouble.  In any case, she isn&#8217;t going to live forever, and it would be interesting to run a really full autopsy on her body when she dies. Unfortunately, we won&#8217;t be able to recover the lost years in the lives of those who follow her brilliant medical advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-08-15/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your highest intention?  To get people better or spend all your time looking to disprove true healing modalities.  Yeah sure, hormones are complicated, so what, it doesn&#039;t mean that we should dismiss the possibility of discovering ways to naturally parallel compounds with the body.  Afterall, there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;vitamin birth control pill&quot; or &quot;vitamin statin drug.&quot;  Get real and look to the future of wellness of the flesh, not wellness of the plastic brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your highest intention?  To get people better or spend all your time looking to disprove true healing modalities.  Yeah sure, hormones are complicated, so what, it doesn&#8217;t mean that we should dismiss the possibility of discovering ways to naturally parallel compounds with the body.  Afterall, there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;vitamin birth control pill&#8221; or &#8220;vitamin statin drug.&#8221;  Get real and look to the future of wellness of the flesh, not wellness of the plastic brain.</p>
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