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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Russ Chancellor</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Chancellor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come the child can&#039;t be having an allergy to the vaccine that makes the condition go from bad to worse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come the child can&#8217;t be having an allergy to the vaccine that makes the condition go from bad to worse?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen McClenahan</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen McClenahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why vaccines are a good solid scientific necessity, but no one has been able to explain why it HAS to have the heavy metals in it.
I mean seriously, mercury builds up over time.
A baby is a very tiny fresh growing thing, does it have to get the vaccine as soon as it plops out into the world? Can&#039;t we protect or newborns a little better, and then hit them with all those chems. a little later on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why vaccines are a good solid scientific necessity, but no one has been able to explain why it HAS to have the heavy metals in it.<br />
I mean seriously, mercury builds up over time.<br />
A baby is a very tiny fresh growing thing, does it have to get the vaccine as soon as it plops out into the world? Can&#8217;t we protect or newborns a little better, and then hit them with all those chems. a little later on?</p>
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		<title>By: Vinod</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Mr. Mendez. I am from India and as someone who has friends permanently crippled by polio, it scares me to think how much out of touch people in more developed countries are with respect to vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Mr. Mendez. I am from India and as someone who has friends permanently crippled by polio, it scares me to think how much out of touch people in more developed countries are with respect to vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: AutismNewsBeat</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-1304</link>
		<dc:creator>AutismNewsBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Pittsburgh TV station just ran a week&#039;s worth of some truly awful autism/vaccine stories. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/339&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/339&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Pittsburgh TV station just ran a week&#8217;s worth of some truly awful autism/vaccine stories. </p>
<p><a href="http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/339" rel="nofollow">http://autism-news-beat.com/archives/339</a></p>
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		<title>By: jwipe</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>jwipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The misunderstanding of the parents who have stopped vaccinating their children is this:  You cannot do that AND continue to eat processed foods, junk food, sugar, etc.  Yes these vaccines may work to prevent the diseases, but they also do harmful, often permanent damage to the body.  They tear down the immune system, thus making us require more vaccines, more drugs, etc, etc - it&#039;s a vicious cycle.  However, all the bad foods also tear down the immune system.  If we concentrated on building up immune systems rather than tearing them down, people wouldn&#039;t need vaccines because they wouldn&#039;t get sick to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The misunderstanding of the parents who have stopped vaccinating their children is this:  You cannot do that AND continue to eat processed foods, junk food, sugar, etc.  Yes these vaccines may work to prevent the diseases, but they also do harmful, often permanent damage to the body.  They tear down the immune system, thus making us require more vaccines, more drugs, etc, etc &#8211; it&#8217;s a vicious cycle.  However, all the bad foods also tear down the immune system.  If we concentrated on building up immune systems rather than tearing them down, people wouldn&#8217;t need vaccines because they wouldn&#8217;t get sick to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinaldo Mendez</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinaldo Mendez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other Thing....in Venezuela we have been Vaccinating ourselves since the 40`s.....and nobody here has Autism!!...so that is BS!!.....in the present perhaps there are NO MORE than just 500 Autistic Kids in Venezuela out of 26millions people....i think there has NOT been one single person in Venezuela wich hasn`t been vaccinated!....that just  proves that autism is NOT provoke by vaccines!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other Thing&#8230;.in Venezuela we have been Vaccinating ourselves since the 40`s&#8230;..and nobody here has Autism!!&#8230;so that is BS!!&#8230;..in the present perhaps there are NO MORE than just 500 Autistic Kids in Venezuela out of 26millions people&#8230;.i think there has NOT been one single person in Venezuela wich hasn`t been vaccinated!&#8230;.that just  proves that autism is NOT provoke by vaccines!</p>
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		<title>By: Reinaldo Mendez</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinaldo Mendez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Venezuela!...i would like to tell Jenny Mcarty and all the vaccine haters to come to Venezuela with their children and let them be exposed to Dengue Hemorragic Fever, Diarrea, yellow fever, Parotiditys, etc!!....and see if their kids will survive!!....please!!!.....in Latin America with dont even need to &quot;Prove&quot; scientifically the TRUE about vaccines!!.....We SEE it everyday!!!....period!!...if you dont get vaccine since Kid!....you`ll probably die of dengue, fever, dehydration, diarrea, vomiting, etc!....

my email is jesuscalixto1@hotmail.com if you want to write me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Venezuela!&#8230;i would like to tell Jenny Mcarty and all the vaccine haters to come to Venezuela with their children and let them be exposed to Dengue Hemorragic Fever, Diarrea, yellow fever, Parotiditys, etc!!&#8230;.and see if their kids will survive!!&#8230;.please!!!&#8230;..in Latin America with dont even need to &#8220;Prove&#8221; scientifically the TRUE about vaccines!!&#8230;..We SEE it everyday!!!&#8230;.period!!&#8230;if you dont get vaccine since Kid!&#8230;.you`ll probably die of dengue, fever, dehydration, diarrea, vomiting, etc!&#8230;.</p>
<p>my email is <a href="mailto:jesuscalixto1@hotmail.com">jesuscalixto1@hotmail.com</a> if you want to write me!</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sadly I can imagine that no amount of proof can sooth a mother&#039;s heart.  Nonetheless, proof is proof.</description>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might point out that simply by looking at charts on disease mortality and see where vaccines were introduce it is easy to understand the vaccines have realy saved NO lives. Here is one link for your viewing pleasure.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html
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It is funny that some people take it for granted that vaccines are the good and need no scientific backup for that. But when a mother of a perfectly healthy child tells us that after being vaccinated it got sick and died some rush to call her crazy. Well I am with the mother and I don&#039;t care if the scientists fail to find a connection. 

Lets not forget how much money is behind all that. Let us not forget of the 100 million American and 100 million more that were vaccinated with the Polio vaccine that was contaminated with the carcinogenic SV40 monkey virus. Let us not forget the Baxter scandal involving vaccines tainted with deadly avian flu virus. Let us not forget the Bayer HIV infected blood products the Baycol deaths the methyl parathion poisoning case. And last lets not forget the ties the people at CDC and FDA have and others of course like those that are helping to pass legislation to protect the pharmaeuticals. Mr Sceptic is not so sceptic I think.

Here is a good site with lots of info on vaccine ingredients and studies.

http://www.novaccine.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might point out that simply by looking at charts on disease mortality and see where vaccines were introduce it is easy to understand the vaccines have realy saved NO lives. Here is one link for your viewing pleasure.</p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/risks.html</a></p>
<p>It is funny that some people take it for granted that vaccines are the good and need no scientific backup for that. But when a mother of a perfectly healthy child tells us that after being vaccinated it got sick and died some rush to call her crazy. Well I am with the mother and I don&#8217;t care if the scientists fail to find a connection. </p>
<p>Lets not forget how much money is behind all that. Let us not forget of the 100 million American and 100 million more that were vaccinated with the Polio vaccine that was contaminated with the carcinogenic SV40 monkey virus. Let us not forget the Baxter scandal involving vaccines tainted with deadly avian flu virus. Let us not forget the Bayer HIV infected blood products the Baycol deaths the methyl parathion poisoning case. And last lets not forget the ties the people at CDC and FDA have and others of course like those that are helping to pass legislation to protect the pharmaeuticals. Mr Sceptic is not so sceptic I think.</p>
<p>Here is a good site with lots of info on vaccine ingredients and studies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.novaccine.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.novaccine.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Greek</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>George Greek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing is for sure. More than ever, we live in a day and age of CONFLICTING CLAIMS.  Which truly makes it all the harder for the average mom or dad (of these children) to sort through the debates, claims, and jargon, in order to form an accurate opinion, or better yet, to actually reach the TRUTH.  Fact is, after years of reading the pros and cons of both sides, I CAN&#039;T!  In the meantime, my wife and I are doing the absolute best we can to help our 4 year old daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger&#039;s.  We certainly do not want her to &#039;fall through the cracks&#039; like my 46 year old brother has.  He was only recently diagnosed, and had NO support system that could guide, direct, or help him like current kids on the spectrum do.  I truly hope there will be more massive INDEPENDENT research initiatives on Autism, that are not beholden or tied into special interests.  Our children (and we) deserve this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing is for sure. More than ever, we live in a day and age of CONFLICTING CLAIMS.  Which truly makes it all the harder for the average mom or dad (of these children) to sort through the debates, claims, and jargon, in order to form an accurate opinion, or better yet, to actually reach the TRUTH.  Fact is, after years of reading the pros and cons of both sides, I CAN&#8217;T!  In the meantime, my wife and I are doing the absolute best we can to help our 4 year old daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger&#8217;s.  We certainly do not want her to &#8216;fall through the cracks&#8217; like my 46 year old brother has.  He was only recently diagnosed, and had NO support system that could guide, direct, or help him like current kids on the spectrum do.  I truly hope there will be more massive INDEPENDENT research initiatives on Autism, that are not beholden or tied into special interests.  Our children (and we) deserve this.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, more pseudoscience junk to comfort junk to placate doctors minds so they can look at parents with a straight face and tell them that their son/daughter who came down with autism (or a host of other diseases) immediately after vaccination, that it wasn&#039;t really because of the vaccination.

But some of us parents haven&#039;t bought the LIES. Our children are visibly HEALTHIER and SMARTER for not having had the vaccines. 

So keep churning out this junk to comfort yourselves while you wreck this holocaust upon unsuspecting parents and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, more pseudoscience junk to comfort junk to placate doctors minds so they can look at parents with a straight face and tell them that their son/daughter who came down with autism (or a host of other diseases) immediately after vaccination, that it wasn&#8217;t really because of the vaccination.</p>
<p>But some of us parents haven&#8217;t bought the LIES. Our children are visibly HEALTHIER and SMARTER for not having had the vaccines. </p>
<p>So keep churning out this junk to comfort yourselves while you wreck this holocaust upon unsuspecting parents and children.</p>
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		<title>By: mike glogan</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>mike glogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious.  An ejournal dedicated to critical thinking is a haven for people to be small minded. This forum reads like an editorial from the Hillbilly Gazette.

  The generalization you are poorly trying to make that would be like me making the generalization that people named Markus don&#039;t study spelling the way the rest of the population does.

&quot;quackwatch&quot; is your trump card? Seriously? The U.S. Dept. of Education and 50 State Licensing Boards and schools all over the world disagree with you.

If you want to watch quacks start studying iatrogenic disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious.  An ejournal dedicated to critical thinking is a haven for people to be small minded. This forum reads like an editorial from the Hillbilly Gazette.</p>
<p>  The generalization you are poorly trying to make that would be like me making the generalization that people named Markus don&#8217;t study spelling the way the rest of the population does.</p>
<p>&#8220;quackwatch&#8221; is your trump card? Seriously? The U.S. Dept. of Education and 50 State Licensing Boards and schools all over the world disagree with you.</p>
<p>If you want to watch quacks start studying iatrogenic disease.</p>
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		<title>By: mike glogan</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>mike glogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;for example if she thinks that vaccines protect against bacteria&quot;

That is almost as silly as thinking that a vaccine protects you against cancer.

Where do people get these crazy ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;for example if she thinks that vaccines protect against bacteria&#8221;</p>
<p>That is almost as silly as thinking that a vaccine protects you against cancer.</p>
<p>Where do people get these crazy ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Andres Villarreal</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres Villarreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have good points, but you must understand one thing about statistics: they are about counting things in the real world and then analyzing the results; if you cannot count those things reliably, any statistic is misleading or even downright false.

Nobody can count the number of autism cases reliably since we still have no surefire definition or diagnostic for autism. In fact, autism is a whole family of diseases and character traits that we are just now starting to understand. During the last few decades we went from counting only the classic &quot;savants&quot; as autistic to the current diagnostic guidelines where many subtly impaired children are considered autistic. Is the disease spreading, or is the diagnostic broadening? It is currently impossible to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have good points, but you must understand one thing about statistics: they are about counting things in the real world and then analyzing the results; if you cannot count those things reliably, any statistic is misleading or even downright false.</p>
<p>Nobody can count the number of autism cases reliably since we still have no surefire definition or diagnostic for autism. In fact, autism is a whole family of diseases and character traits that we are just now starting to understand. During the last few decades we went from counting only the classic &#8220;savants&#8221; as autistic to the current diagnostic guidelines where many subtly impaired children are considered autistic. Is the disease spreading, or is the diagnostic broadening? It is currently impossible to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Swehla</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Swehla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification: 
I don&#039;t know if the research referred to in the article points to autism being sex-linked (requires subscription access). The article doesn&#039;t address it directly. I meant to say that there is support for the idea of autism being a genetic condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification:<br />
I don&#8217;t know if the research referred to in the article points to autism being sex-linked (requires subscription access). The article doesn&#8217;t address it directly. I meant to say that there is support for the idea of autism being a genetic condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Swehla</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Swehla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the disproportionate occurrence of autism in males, it has long been suspected that aspects of the disorder(s) are sex-linked, and therefore genetic. Some new evidence to support that hypothesis:

&quot;Scientists in Japan have tweaked the chromosomes of mice to make the animals act autistically. The engineered rodents display genetic impairments and behavior that mirror those of some humans with the disorder.&quot;

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=changing-a-chromosome-makes-mice-au-2009-06-26</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the disproportionate occurrence of autism in males, it has long been suspected that aspects of the disorder(s) are sex-linked, and therefore genetic. Some new evidence to support that hypothesis:</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientists in Japan have tweaked the chromosomes of mice to make the animals act autistically. The engineered rodents display genetic impairments and behavior that mirror those of some humans with the disorder.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=changing-a-chromosome-makes-mice-au-2009-06-26" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=changing-a-chromosome-makes-mice-au-2009-06-26</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiropractitioners do not study the same things a medical doctor studies,
Look up Quackwatch on the pseudo-scientific principles of your backcracking profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiropractitioners do not study the same things a medical doctor studies,<br />
Look up Quackwatch on the pseudo-scientific principles of your backcracking profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Larian LeQuella</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Larian LeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoah, how did I miss this article!  Great one!

Should any of you need more ammunition for combating the anti-vax pro-disease nutters, feel free to use this information as well (in convenient bullet format):  http://factsnotfantasy.com/vaccines.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoah, how did I miss this article!  Great one!</p>
<p>Should any of you need more ammunition for combating the anti-vax pro-disease nutters, feel free to use this information as well (in convenient bullet format):  <a href="http://factsnotfantasy.com/vaccines.html" rel="nofollow">http://factsnotfantasy.com/vaccines.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: kennwrite</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>kennwrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article `Vaccines &amp; Autism&#039; by Harriet Hall is one of the best ever published by Skeptic.  I am particularly fond of her statement that scientists listened to parents and conducted studies [which demonstrated that autism is not caused by &quot;secret&quot; ingredients in vaccines], yet parents do not listen to scientists who publish results.  Unfortunately, the myth goes on that those &quot;evil&quot; scientists are out to get us, that they opprobriously rub their scheming hands together with the sole universal purpose to wipe us unsuspecting sheep off the face of the earth.  Oh, those scientists ... .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article `Vaccines &amp; Autism&#8217; by Harriet Hall is one of the best ever published by Skeptic.  I am particularly fond of her statement that scientists listened to parents and conducted studies [which demonstrated that autism is not caused by "secret" ingredients in vaccines], yet parents do not listen to scientists who publish results.  Unfortunately, the myth goes on that those &#8220;evil&#8221; scientists are out to get us, that they opprobriously rub their scheming hands together with the sole universal purpose to wipe us unsuspecting sheep off the face of the earth.  Oh, those scientists &#8230; .</p>
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