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		<title>By: Harriet Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>Harriet Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am busy reading Michael Shermer´s blog (someone I used to listen to on Fridays on KCRW in Los Angeles), but in the meantime can you guys (women too) tell me what you know about Erich Von Danimex?  He has some book in Spanish someone wants me to read and when I google his name there is a tie in with SETI which you guys also mention.  Do you think this author is scientific?  Why does one of your articles say CSETI, yet two others say SETI = which name do you prefer?  Thanks in advance for an answer, and I would appreciate you sending it to my personal mail, though I will come back here to look also</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am busy reading Michael Shermer´s blog (someone I used to listen to on Fridays on KCRW in Los Angeles), but in the meantime can you guys (women too) tell me what you know about Erich Von Danimex?  He has some book in Spanish someone wants me to read and when I google his name there is a tie in with SETI which you guys also mention.  Do you think this author is scientific?  Why does one of your articles say CSETI, yet two others say SETI = which name do you prefer?  Thanks in advance for an answer, and I would appreciate you sending it to my personal mail, though I will come back here to look also</p>
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		<title>By: Loughlin Tatem</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Loughlin Tatem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is unless they recognize there is a gold mine out there  ready for tapping: thousands, millions, intact, of christian minds ready to purchase this material and feed it to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is unless they recognize there is a gold mine out there  ready for tapping: thousands, millions, intact, of christian minds ready to purchase this material and feed it to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Bass</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful comments from Dave Frampton.  You Rock!  Thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful comments from Dave Frampton.  You Rock!  Thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like just another way to make the Bible fit anyway possible to what scientific studies are showing and have aleady shown. My Bunk detector is buring bright!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like just another way to make the Bible fit anyway possible to what scientific studies are showing and have aleady shown. My Bunk detector is buring bright!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Frampton</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Frampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reading Darren Iammarino’s review of Philip Clayton’s Adventures in the Spirit, it seemed to me that if you want to construct a new non-scientific emergentist metaphysics, it is desirable to try and make it at least as universally generalizable as science.  While there are always many vigorous controversies in science, and strongly contested interpretations of empirical data in scientific research, there is at the same time - subject to its being considered nomologically provisional and ever open to disconfirmation - a solid core of thousands of scientific facts which hold both anywhere in the world and in the observable universe: spacecraft millions of kilometers from the earth still comply with the laws of physics.  There are, likewise, thousands of different possible religious concepts and beliefs.  As anthropologist Pascal Boyer has argued and demonstrated, one can certainly identify some common abstract ontological features among them.  It would therefore be a serious mistake to think that just any old counter-intuitive digression from folk physics is fit for cultural transmission from generation to generation as a religious concept.  Even so, the differences can be so great as to be mutually incomprehensible between religious cultures, and mutually contradictory.  

Consequently, it is puzzling to me why one should seek to construct the new non-scientific and spiritual metaphysics which Iammarino describes in his review without seeing it necessary to account in some way for this problematic global diversity (if Clayton does so at some point in the book, I readily stand corrected, but I do not get a sense of this from the review).  The Trinity concept on which Iammarino comments is a good case in point.  As far as I can see, it is not a universal religious concept which is immediately comprehensible to, or easily digestible by, followers of religions as diverse as, for example, Islam, Buddhism, Amazonian shamanism, African animism, West Indian voodooism, Jainism or Taoism.  It is not even a concept acceptable to all Christian sects.  There are, similarly, religious traditions which do not include a concept of a universe-creating deity.  

Take, conversely, the case of a scientist who comes across a previously unidentified genetic-behavioral correlation in a species of marine animal off the coast of Canada.  She is going to be intrinsically curious to know whether the same correlation can be found in phenotypes of the species in the Tasman Sea or the Bering Strait.  Her concern is precisely the knowledge that a good scientific hypothesis must account for all the available data, not simply data which is conveniently to hand.  This is the problem I have with Clayton’s thesis as reviewed in summary by Iammarino.  While it is evidently not by any means standard Christian theology, it is all the same Christocentric, and I can only assume that the reason for this is that Christian theology and the Bible are, precisely, conveniently to hand for the author.  If writers on religion and spirituality are going to attempt to build bridges between religion and science, it seems to me that they really have to come to terms with the reality that religious conceptualization is a far broader manifold than the Christian tradition, and that the broader manifold is the scope of the data that needs to be accounted for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reading Darren Iammarino’s review of Philip Clayton’s Adventures in the Spirit, it seemed to me that if you want to construct a new non-scientific emergentist metaphysics, it is desirable to try and make it at least as universally generalizable as science.  While there are always many vigorous controversies in science, and strongly contested interpretations of empirical data in scientific research, there is at the same time &#8211; subject to its being considered nomologically provisional and ever open to disconfirmation &#8211; a solid core of thousands of scientific facts which hold both anywhere in the world and in the observable universe: spacecraft millions of kilometers from the earth still comply with the laws of physics.  There are, likewise, thousands of different possible religious concepts and beliefs.  As anthropologist Pascal Boyer has argued and demonstrated, one can certainly identify some common abstract ontological features among them.  It would therefore be a serious mistake to think that just any old counter-intuitive digression from folk physics is fit for cultural transmission from generation to generation as a religious concept.  Even so, the differences can be so great as to be mutually incomprehensible between religious cultures, and mutually contradictory.  </p>
<p>Consequently, it is puzzling to me why one should seek to construct the new non-scientific and spiritual metaphysics which Iammarino describes in his review without seeing it necessary to account in some way for this problematic global diversity (if Clayton does so at some point in the book, I readily stand corrected, but I do not get a sense of this from the review).  The Trinity concept on which Iammarino comments is a good case in point.  As far as I can see, it is not a universal religious concept which is immediately comprehensible to, or easily digestible by, followers of religions as diverse as, for example, Islam, Buddhism, Amazonian shamanism, African animism, West Indian voodooism, Jainism or Taoism.  It is not even a concept acceptable to all Christian sects.  There are, similarly, religious traditions which do not include a concept of a universe-creating deity.  </p>
<p>Take, conversely, the case of a scientist who comes across a previously unidentified genetic-behavioral correlation in a species of marine animal off the coast of Canada.  She is going to be intrinsically curious to know whether the same correlation can be found in phenotypes of the species in the Tasman Sea or the Bering Strait.  Her concern is precisely the knowledge that a good scientific hypothesis must account for all the available data, not simply data which is conveniently to hand.  This is the problem I have with Clayton’s thesis as reviewed in summary by Iammarino.  While it is evidently not by any means standard Christian theology, it is all the same Christocentric, and I can only assume that the reason for this is that Christian theology and the Bible are, precisely, conveniently to hand for the author.  If writers on religion and spirituality are going to attempt to build bridges between religion and science, it seems to me that they really have to come to terms with the reality that religious conceptualization is a far broader manifold than the Christian tradition, and that the broader manifold is the scope of the data that needs to be accounted for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hamer</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, weren&#039;t you going to stop reading this column?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, weren&#8217;t you going to stop reading this column?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hamer</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right... It&#039;s all part of the Illuminati&#039;s global conspiracy to take over the world by giving all the world&#039;s children autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right&#8230; It&#8217;s all part of the Illuminati&#8217;s global conspiracy to take over the world by giving all the world&#8217;s children autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...do you really think that is a good analogy?  
Hate to tell you this...but you really need to stop drinking the CDC/Big Pharma Kool-Aid. It&#039;s a dangerous drink and the vaccinations are dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;do you really think that is a good analogy?<br />
Hate to tell you this&#8230;but you really need to stop drinking the CDC/Big Pharma Kool-Aid. It&#8217;s a dangerous drink and the vaccinations are dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hamer</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]How do you answer the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after being vaccinated?[/quote]

The same way you answer &quot;the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after&quot; breast feeding.

The two events occur incidentally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]How do you answer the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after being vaccinated?[/quote]</p>
<p>The same way you answer &#8220;the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after&#8221; breast feeding.</p>
<p>The two events occur incidentally.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article on Jenny McCarthy has some very big holes in it. There have not been numerous studies done disproving the part vaccines play in autism. The CDC and Big Pharma are hiding the results of a study done that shows vaccines, in fact, do play a part in regressive autism. On a personal level, I watched as my granddaughter regressed literally before our eyes...after she was not only vaccinated, but given TRIPLE the vaccinations she was supposed to receive. How do you answer the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after being vaccinated? The fact is, the government and Big Pharma don&#039;t want us to know the truth for fear that all parents will stop vaccinating. But, many of us already know the truth...vaccinations play a part in regressive autism and we have the proof...our autistic children.   

You have now lost a long time reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article on Jenny McCarthy has some very big holes in it. There have not been numerous studies done disproving the part vaccines play in autism. The CDC and Big Pharma are hiding the results of a study done that shows vaccines, in fact, do play a part in regressive autism. On a personal level, I watched as my granddaughter regressed literally before our eyes&#8230;after she was not only vaccinated, but given TRIPLE the vaccinations she was supposed to receive. How do you answer the fact that thousands and thousands of parents have watched their children regress after being vaccinated? The fact is, the government and Big Pharma don&#8217;t want us to know the truth for fear that all parents will stop vaccinating. But, many of us already know the truth&#8230;vaccinations play a part in regressive autism and we have the proof&#8230;our autistic children.   </p>
<p>You have now lost a long time reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic mix tape &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-17/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptic mix tape &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his skeptical credentials are already pretty solid). You can get more info about the mix tape on eSkeptic, and also at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his skeptical credentials are already pretty solid). You can get more info about the mix tape on eSkeptic, and also at [...]</p>
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