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		<title>By: Diell Louis</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>Diell Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One cannot prove or disprove that God answers prayers with any number of anecdotal cases, especially when the test prayer is something that can easily happen in the scientific or medical world without the assistance of prayer.  Praying for more rain and getting more rain is as old as the earliest native tribes in America and probably a lot older.

A real test for prayer would be to pray for something that has never happened in the medical or scientific world, like a human growing a new limb where none existed before.  If after a prayer for a new limb a person grew one where none existed before, that would go a long way to demonstrating that God at least does answer some prayers.

Another test would be to pray to part the Red Sea, give it a few minutes, and then watch it part.  If it does, in fact, part within a few minutes and people are able to cross it on foot, those who believe in the power of prayer will have taken their case to a new level.  But just praying for stuff that happens everyday in our world anyway, proves nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One cannot prove or disprove that God answers prayers with any number of anecdotal cases, especially when the test prayer is something that can easily happen in the scientific or medical world without the assistance of prayer.  Praying for more rain and getting more rain is as old as the earliest native tribes in America and probably a lot older.</p>
<p>A real test for prayer would be to pray for something that has never happened in the medical or scientific world, like a human growing a new limb where none existed before.  If after a prayer for a new limb a person grew one where none existed before, that would go a long way to demonstrating that God at least does answer some prayers.</p>
<p>Another test would be to pray to part the Red Sea, give it a few minutes, and then watch it part.  If it does, in fact, part within a few minutes and people are able to cross it on foot, those who believe in the power of prayer will have taken their case to a new level.  But just praying for stuff that happens everyday in our world anyway, proves nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link for you...

www.EVILBIBLE.com

I mean really...who would want ANYTHING from a &#039;god&#039; such as this let alone a prayer being &#039;answered&#039;? As far as I&#039;m concerned, yahweh is a &#039;god&#039; YOU can have. I prefer to put my faith into beings that are not as obsessed with death, destruction, anger, jealousy, worship, damnation, etc. This would include MEN of peace and logic such as Ghandi, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Nietzsche, Thich Nhat Hanh, etc. And the great thing is, you won&#039;t be damned if you choose not to believe in these men, but WHY you wouldn&#039;t have faith in the beliefs of these men is beyond me, but consistant with the dogmatic beliefs of the &#039;logic&#039; of cristianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link for you&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.EVILBIBLE.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.EVILBIBLE.com</a></p>
<p>I mean really&#8230;who would want ANYTHING from a &#8216;god&#8217; such as this let alone a prayer being &#8216;answered&#8217;? As far as I&#8217;m concerned, yahweh is a &#8216;god&#8217; YOU can have. I prefer to put my faith into beings that are not as obsessed with death, destruction, anger, jealousy, worship, damnation, etc. This would include MEN of peace and logic such as Ghandi, Buddha, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Nietzsche, Thich Nhat Hanh, etc. And the great thing is, you won&#8217;t be damned if you choose not to believe in these men, but WHY you wouldn&#8217;t have faith in the beliefs of these men is beyond me, but consistant with the dogmatic beliefs of the &#8216;logic&#8217; of cristianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to deal with this is to ask you of just ONE example of a documented scientifically tested prayer challenge where the &#039;validity&#039; of prayer can be PROVEN to work. Then you have to deal with being able to prove that it was divine in nature and not caused by the power of the minds of the individuals praying or by any other explainable means or by that yet we do not understand as yet. There are MANY instances of &#039;miraculous&#039; recovery by patients and events in nature that involved people who do not believe in your &#039;god&#039;. Is it not more logical to assume these instances are just naturally occuring events, as the odds for these things happening have exactly the same kind of odds as any other random events on the chance bell curve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to deal with this is to ask you of just ONE example of a documented scientifically tested prayer challenge where the &#8216;validity&#8217; of prayer can be PROVEN to work. Then you have to deal with being able to prove that it was divine in nature and not caused by the power of the minds of the individuals praying or by any other explainable means or by that yet we do not understand as yet. There are MANY instances of &#8216;miraculous&#8217; recovery by patients and events in nature that involved people who do not believe in your &#8216;god&#8217;. Is it not more logical to assume these instances are just naturally occuring events, as the odds for these things happening have exactly the same kind of odds as any other random events on the chance bell curve?</p>
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		<title>By: Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is, you can pray to &#039;god&#039;, allah, santa, or bigfoot, and get the same results. Amazing the people and instances that yahweh supposedly chooses to say &quot;no&quot; and &quot;yes&quot; to. Yet the excuses for why &#039;he&#039; decides to make these judgements are explained away as &quot;only &#039;he&#039; knows why &#039;he&#039; decides what &#039;he&#039; does&quot;, no matter how lacking in common sense it may be. The same excuses are made for madmen, dictators, and mass murderers like Hitler, Manson, or Dahmer. Which coincidentally enough are the same attributes of yahweh. Only we are not expected to worship, follow, love, obey, or emulate men such as these, but it is expected to be so for &#039;gods&#039;...why is this ok and &#039;acceptable&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is, you can pray to &#8216;god&#8217;, allah, santa, or bigfoot, and get the same results. Amazing the people and instances that yahweh supposedly chooses to say &#8220;no&#8221; and &#8220;yes&#8221; to. Yet the excuses for why &#8216;he&#8217; decides to make these judgements are explained away as &#8220;only &#8216;he&#8217; knows why &#8216;he&#8217; decides what &#8216;he&#8217; does&#8221;, no matter how lacking in common sense it may be. The same excuses are made for madmen, dictators, and mass murderers like Hitler, Manson, or Dahmer. Which coincidentally enough are the same attributes of yahweh. Only we are not expected to worship, follow, love, obey, or emulate men such as these, but it is expected to be so for &#8216;gods&#8217;&#8230;why is this ok and &#8216;acceptable&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How far off the mark the arguments fall

The claim is made that a prayer leads to certain results.
Statistical analysis simply says the resulting rainfall can more easily explained by natural causes instead implying divine intercession. 

So - what is the fuss? Where were the christian critical outcries when a fraudulent study - later exposed as such - was circulated claiming that prayer over patients has beneficial effects? That one was - because it fits nicely within a magical belief system - just accepted as fact. Too bad the guys perpetrating that study were just your regular sort of academic crooks, with a whiff of christian aroma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far off the mark the arguments fall</p>
<p>The claim is made that a prayer leads to certain results.<br />
Statistical analysis simply says the resulting rainfall can more easily explained by natural causes instead implying divine intercession. </p>
<p>So &#8211; what is the fuss? Where were the christian critical outcries when a fraudulent study &#8211; later exposed as such &#8211; was circulated claiming that prayer over patients has beneficial effects? That one was &#8211; because it fits nicely within a magical belief system &#8211; just accepted as fact. Too bad the guys perpetrating that study were just your regular sort of academic crooks, with a whiff of christian aroma.</p>
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		<title>By: seriously?</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>seriously?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes zonniemon, clearly georgia is world renowned for being a bastion of free-thinking and model intelligence. bravo, i think i will eat my hat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes zonniemon, clearly georgia is world renowned for being a bastion of free-thinking and model intelligence. bravo, i think i will eat my hat</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Knox</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Founding fathers guaranteed us freedom of religion ? Or freedom FROM religion? The belief in God is a personal one. In my personal experience I was forced from a committee on human rights in Florida by asking the members to have a moment of silence instead of a Christian prayer at lunch meetings. The food was state bought, state cooked on state land by state employees during a state meeting yet the claimed the it had nothing to do with separation of Church and State. Non of them could see the point being made. If you could force me out of chair because I belief in separation of church and state then you are not understanding WHY we need separation of church and state.
 The Governor committed a crime of honor by misrepresenting the state natives who are not Christian  and yet voted for him. Your belief is fine and good but it has no business in law and government. Like in my problem is was against that tenet yet they bent it to there own needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Founding fathers guaranteed us freedom of religion ? Or freedom FROM religion? The belief in God is a personal one. In my personal experience I was forced from a committee on human rights in Florida by asking the members to have a moment of silence instead of a Christian prayer at lunch meetings. The food was state bought, state cooked on state land by state employees during a state meeting yet the claimed the it had nothing to do with separation of Church and State. Non of them could see the point being made. If you could force me out of chair because I belief in separation of church and state then you are not understanding WHY we need separation of church and state.<br />
 The Governor committed a crime of honor by misrepresenting the state natives who are not Christian  and yet voted for him. Your belief is fine and good but it has no business in law and government. Like in my problem is was against that tenet yet they bent it to there own needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy M.</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived in Georgia for roughly twenty years. Praying for rain in Georgia in November is like going out at six in the morning and praying for the sun to come up. 

A cynical move on the part of a typically useless southern republican. I notice that he hasn&#039;t been praying for the legislature to put the stars and bars back on the state flag per the central plank of the campaign that carried him into the governors office to begin with. Misdirecting clueless hillbilly morons seems to be all his brand of politician is capable of doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in Georgia for roughly twenty years. Praying for rain in Georgia in November is like going out at six in the morning and praying for the sun to come up. </p>
<p>A cynical move on the part of a typically useless southern republican. I notice that he hasn&#8217;t been praying for the legislature to put the stars and bars back on the state flag per the central plank of the campaign that carried him into the governors office to begin with. Misdirecting clueless hillbilly morons seems to be all his brand of politician is capable of doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brewddhist</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Brewddhist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The governor&#039;s prayers were answered, just a bit later than expected, when a huge storm swept across the southeast and killed around 50 people in February, 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/us/06cnd-storm.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The governor&#8217;s prayers were answered, just a bit later than expected, when a huge storm swept across the southeast and killed around 50 people in February, 2008.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/us/06cnd-storm.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/us/06cnd-storm.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Melany</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-08-19/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>Melany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The governor was in a position over his people at the time of said prayer.  As someone with opposing views, I am greatly upset by this guys pompous belief that his prayer made it rain.  What will he pray for next?  The recession to end?  Murders to stop?  Mixing religion and government is a big issue, and this is a big deal to some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The governor was in a position over his people at the time of said prayer.  As someone with opposing views, I am greatly upset by this guys pompous belief that his prayer made it rain.  What will he pray for next?  The recession to end?  Murders to stop?  Mixing religion and government is a big issue, and this is a big deal to some.</p>
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