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EPISODE # 128

Michael Shellenberger — Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All

Michael Shellenberger has been fighting for a greener planet for decades. He helped save the world’s last unprotected redwoods. He co-created the predecessor to today’s Green New Deal. And he led a successful effort by climate scientists and activists to keep nuclear plants operating, preventing a spike of emissions. But in 2019, as some claimed “billions of people are going to die,” contributing to rising anxiety, including among adolescents, Shellenberger decided that, as a lifelong environmental activist, leading energy expert, and father of a teenage daughter, he needed to speak out to separate science from fiction. His conclusion: “Climate change is real but it’s not the end of the world. It is not even our most serious environmental problem.”

Despite decades of news media attention, many remain ignorant of basic facts. Carbon emissions peaked and have been declining in most developed nations for over a decade. Deaths from extreme weather, even in poor nations, declined 80 percent over the last four decades. And the risk of Earth warming to very high temperatures is increasingly unlikely thanks to slowing population growth and abundant natural gas. Curiously, the people who are the most alarmist about the problems also tend to oppose the obvious solutions. Shermer and Shellenberger also discuss:

  • what’s really behind the rise of apocalyptic environmentalism,
  • the powerful financial interests in environmentalism,
  • the desire for status and power among environmentalists, along with the all-too human propensity to moralize and tell other people what to do,
  • Shellenberger’s hypothesis that environmentalism is a faux religion primarily followed by secular people searching for transcendence,
  • Environmental Humanism as a replacement worldview,
  • the problems and shortcomings of climate computer models,
  • how much warmer it’s going to get and what the consequences of that warming will be, and what we do about it? (hint: nuclear),
  • myths about nuclear power and why people fear it,
  • renewables, solar, wind, geothermal, and why they are not nearly as efficient as nuclear,
  • the Amazon: Are the Earth’s lungs burning?
  • plastic straws, recycling, electric cars, and other things,
  • Are we in a Sixth Extinction?
  • How have sweatshops saved the planet?
  • How have technology and capitalism saved the whales?
  • meat eating, Temple Grandin, and happy farms vs. factory farms,
  • the myth of natural: what is natural is good, non-natural is bad,
  • why environmentalism is the dominant secular religion of the educated, upper-middle-class elite in the most developed nations, with good guys and bad guys, heroes and villains, and
  • Environmentalism as Calvinism — Richard Rhodes: “In the sense that the world is an evil place and it would be better if it were destroyed and turned back over to the natural kingdom.”

Michael Shellenberger is a Time magazine “Hero of the Environment”; the winner of the 2008 Green Book Award from the Stevens Institute of Technology’s Center for Science Writings; and an invited expert reviewer of the next Assessment Report for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). He has written on energy and the environment for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, Nature Energy, and other publications for two decades. He is the founder and president of Environmental Progress, an independent, nonpartisan research organization based in Berkeley, California.

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This episode was released on August 11, 2020.

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