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EPISODE # 182

A Conversation With UFOlogist Alan Steinfeld on How Believers and Skeptics Think About UFOs

Making Contact: Preparing for the New Realities of Extraterrestrial Existence (book cover)

Making Contact presents multiple perspectives on what the volume’s editor Alan Steinfeld claims can no longer be denied: UFOs and their occupants are visiting our world. The volume contains original writings by the leading experts of the phenomena such as: Linda Moulton Howe, Earthfiles reporter, Whitley Strieber best-selling author of Communion, Professor John E. Mack, former head of the Harvard Medical school of psychiatry and an alien abduction investigator, Darryl Anka internationally known for his communication with the extraterrestrial Bashar, Nick Pope, former UK Ministry of Defense UFO investigator, Grant Cameron expert on American presidents and UFOs, Drs. J.J. and Desiree Hurtak, globalists and founders of the worldwide organization, The Academy for Future Science, Caroline Cory, director of Superhuman and ET: Contact, Mary Rodwell, author of The New Human about star-seed children, Henrietta Weekes, actress and writer, expressing the poetic aspects of making contact.

Note: It is Dr. Shermer’s intention in his podcast to periodically talk to people with whom skeptics and scientists may disagree. In some episodes Dr. Shermer tries to “steel man” a position held by someone with differing views — that is, he says in his own words what he thinks the other person is arguing — but in this case the other person is in the conversation and can represent his own position clearly, which is what happens. As well, such conversations enable principles of skepticism to be employed in ways constructive to those who hold views not necessarily embraced by skeptics and scientists. Such principles should be embraced by all seekers of truth, and that is why we want to talk to people with whom we may disagree.

Alan Steinfeld is an explorer of consciousness. For over 30 years he has hosted and produced the weekly television series New Realities in New York City. Additionally, with 68,000 subscribers to his YouTube channel of the same name, there have been over 20 million viewers who have seen his programs. These include interviews with luminaries in the field of health, spirituality and UFOS — such as Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson, Ram Dass and every major UFO researcher in the field. With his media appearances, lectures, and conferences he informs millions about human potential, remote viewing, and the nature of alien contact. For the over five years he has emceed the largest UFO event in the country, Contact in the Desert. He feels that only when the inner explorations of the soul are combined with the outer adventures of the mind can we achieve a harmonious understanding of our place in the cosmos.

Shermer and Steinfeld discuss:

  • Steinfeld’s personal experiences growing up and his UFO/abduction encounter,
  • the role of science fiction in the modern world,
  • UFOs, UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), and whether the U represents just the unknown or also extraterrestrial,
  • the quality of evidence in evaluating UFO claims,
  • scientific truths vs. mythical and literary truths,
  • personal experiences vs. objective evidence,
  • the ECREE Principle: Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence,
  • the U.S. military UFO videos and what they really represent,
  • the Disclosure Project and the big announcement coming in June from the U.S. government about UFOs and UAPs,
  • why contributors to his book consider internal personal experiences with altered states of consciousness a form of evidence, and
  • why we should keep an open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out.

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This episode was released on May 18, 2021.

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